not tube sleeves

So while looking through the tapestry images I did spot two more half length bishop style sleeves. Well… one that appears to be:

And another that I think is a gathered upper to a fitted lower- but it is in a cloth of gold that is so close to mine :):

So I am going to fit and cut the bodice and sleeves this week of my Maria of Cleves gown. But I am also *this* close to making the flaming orange dress because why not.